The new patrol vessels from the SDSR 2015
One of the outcomes from the SDSR was the ordering of extra OPV to fill the gap in orders while the Type 26 design is finalised. As far as I'm aware the RN didn't ask for them so the question is what...
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Hi, I think part of the increase in size of modern ships comes from things that are not necessarily readily noticeable if you are just comparing general "specs". Specifically, most modern ships are...
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MARPOL doesn't affect combatants in the same way it affects auxiliaries or merchant ships. It has an effect, but not much of one. One of the other reasons for increased size is the electronics fit....
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I am not sure this has so much impact on OPVs. Also I just can't see that if we are, say merging the role of a 600-700t/16knot MCM vessel with 45 crew, which do a fair bit of patrol work anyway, with...
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Why on earth wouldn't impact this on OPVs? They have crew just like every other ship, they are just as likely to suffer from inflation in the size of habitable spaces as anything else that floats.
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I think the period of the graph is one of significant change (1945-80). The modern OPV in RN service really comes in after this period, when standards of crew space are already improving. I am not...
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No sorry that is rubbish, the Castle class were built 79 - 81 that is 35 years ago, crew accomodation standards have improved significantly since then. You only need to look at all the information...
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I am not disputing the Type 45 are a step change in crew space. However they replaced cramped early 70s designs. I appreciate a simple tonnage/crew comparison is going to be skewed in favour of...
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Right, so you don't think that T45 crew standards are an improvement over Type 23 then? You honestly think that all the fuss the RN made the about Type 45s improvements in accomodation was just in...
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RLBH wrote:MARPOL doesn't affect combatants in the same way it affects auxiliaries or merchant ships. It has an effect, but not much of one. ... Hi, I believe that full MARPOL compliance is becoming...
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No I didn't say that...you introduced the Type 45 and the simple comparison I have made, based on tonnage, indicates they are top end. This supports the RN's PR which I have also read. I very much...
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johnc wrote:No I didn't say that...you introduced the Type 45 and the simple comparison I have made, based on tonnage, indicates they are top end. This supports the RN's PR which I have also read. I...
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Just remember the saying that has been around the accounting/analysis field for over a century: There are lies, damn lies, and statistics! Simply put, by carefully choosing which measures to include...
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Here is a pic of L'Adroit's layout. At 1,500t she is considered a bit "tight" in terms of internal arrangements. The green areas are sea cabins - up to 8-10 men in the largest ones. Common toilets, so...
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johnc wrote:No I didn't say that...you introduced the Type 45 and the simple comparison I have made, based on tonnage, indicates they are top end. This supports the RN's PR which I have also read. I...
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I did say that tons/crew was an unscientific indicator, from information readily available. I don’t see the Castles as particularly crowded ships. The Rivers are 270t bigger and the OPVs currently...
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The Rivers batch 1s were not built by BAE they were built by Vospers, and if they were built bigger it is because the RN had a requirement for them to be bigger. Same goes for the newer Rivers the RN...
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Why are you bringing VT into this, they are not even in business anymore. Where as BAE is building our OPVs and at a sky rocket price. It is relevant to compare crew habitation arrangement of the...
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johnc wrote:Why are you bringing VT into this, they are not even in business anymore. Where as BAE is building our OPVs and at a sky rocket price. It is relevant to compare crew habitation arrangement...
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